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Jeremy Fogel

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everybody thanks for having me back

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again today wow I just got out of

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editing a movie come here to join you

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guys and had to whip together this

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presentation current and modern because

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so much of this footage I've never been

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able to show anybody this is the case of

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bob lazar who in this audience is

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unfamiliar with the claims of bob lazar

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don't be shy raise your hands I need to

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know cool that's gonna change okay

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so this case is really close to my heart

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because it is the reason most likely

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that I got interested in UFOs at all

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this was before I started looking into

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the subject it was before I even knew

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anything about the subject probably like

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most of you I heard Bob lazarre's claims

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and that's what inspired me to try to

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find out is he telling the truth

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the central question about Bob Lazar and

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his story if he's telling the truth it's

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huge it's game-changing but there's that

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nagging question do you believe Bob

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Lazar so I'm not gonna try to convince

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you one way or the other I'm gonna just

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show you my journey in trying to get

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closer to that truth for those of you

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that I've never met I'm an investigative

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filmmaker self-proclaimed

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okay I make films that I investigate

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things I think anybody with an iPhone

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these days can be an investigative

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filmmaker eventually have to put the the

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film out the movies out and I've been

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luckily been able to do that recently

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just kind of started after all these

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years I can put this footage out there

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will probably be a lot of questions

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after the presentation about Bob Lazar

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so I will leave some room for that for

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those either want to talk about that

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because it's a complex case but I have

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to take you all the way back to 1989 in

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order to start this story so again my

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curiosity was weaponized when I heard

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Bob's claims he was on the radio with my

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mentor and journalism George Knapp and I

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heard them talking about the propulsion

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system that Bob said he back engineered

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at a sub base of area 51 called s4

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nobody had ever heard about s4 it was

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not a subject of conversation nobody

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even knew about the area that he was

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that he was claiming this was going on

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totally new information but the part

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that stuck with me was the way he

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described propulsion that was my

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interest typically if you want to make

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something move forward you have to have

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something pushing back it's really

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simple but the way he described this

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propulsion system was completely

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counterintuitive his claim was that

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these non terrestrial craft these flying

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saucers that he saw and had a chance to

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try to work on one of the propulsion

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systems worked by generating gravity

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waves and if you can generate a gravity

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wave and you can distort or amplify a

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gravity wave you can distort space-time

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space-time and gravity they're they they

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all operate together so if you affect

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one you affect the others basic physics

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the way that he described it the best

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way I can imagine it is the way exactly

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how he described it put a bowling ball

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on a mattress and push your fist down on

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the mattress and the bowling ball will

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roll towards your fist right so it's a

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completely different type of propulsion

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where you're wanting to go you're not

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pushing anything out so that was just

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crazy that was a wild concept to me

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his claims went everywhere what Bob

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undeniable is the effect that his words

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had on the world no words are weapons

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they're used as weapons propaganda

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that's how things work his words were

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weapons they sliced through the

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imagination of the American public and

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then the international public this was

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in Omni magazine

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you might recognize when the most iconic

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pictures of Bob Lazar with his geeky

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coke bottle glasses and he said that he

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worked on alien propulsion for the

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United States military but in 30 years

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now he has rarely made himself available

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he doesn't talk about it wants to get on

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with his life and getting to know Bob

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there's a lot of really good reasons for

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that but most people that's the image in

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their mind that they have a bob lazar

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however it's a new day Bob is again

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talking and he's talking to me

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and he's allowing me to finally put his

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story in documentary film form after 30

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years this is a guy that has never

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profited off of his UFO celebrity he

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never sought it he doesn't like the

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attention but he simply is telling a

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story and it's up to you whether or not

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you believe him he just wants to make

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sure at least you know his story and

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then it's up to you and there's more to

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that but we have to go back all the way

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to how this started so I'm taking you

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way back the world's best-known secret

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base I love that the reason you know

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about area 51 is because of Bob Lazar

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it's because of Bob Lazar George Knapp

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and a man named John Lear you probably

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would have found out about it anyway our

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government has now finally acknowledged

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area 51

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but really the reason that it's in your

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mind anybody's mind why it's become a

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meme and their shot glasses and hot

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sauces is because it became this

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household name for secrecy for UFOs and

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that is directly because of the

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reporting of George Knapp on what John

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saying so that's kind of crazy so I'm

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gonna take you all the way back to the

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was ever mentioned publicly and they

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didn't even say his name they referenced

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a guy so you're gonna see in this video

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George Knapp on a little tiny show that

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he had that nobody watched it was at a

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terrible time before he was this

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known John for a long time and he came

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the roof people wanted to know is what

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John's saying true so this is the first

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time Bob bazaars name was it was not

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said where he was referenced so check it

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[Music]

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oh and welcome once again to on the

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record if you joined us last week heard

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some startling revelations about UFOs

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and the government cover-up about UFOs

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from noted UFO researcher John Lear

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alright you rogue you recently decided

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to take it upon yourself to try to get

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to the bottom of this major cover-up

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what do you say as a cover-up he went up

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to groom Lake which you say is like a

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center of this UFO activity what

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happened is I was approached by

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government theoretical physicists

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employed by the government who works on

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the saucers up at groom like he has seen

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the aliens he is tired of the cover-up

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he knows what a ripoff it is of how much

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how many billions of dollars were

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wasting on trying to develop develop

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technology that's already been developed

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and we drove up there we were actually

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there on three occasions I mean the fact

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that that the military doesn't want you

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around the top secret base doesn't mean

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there's flying saucers there I know it

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doesn't except we had just seen one the

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theoretical physicist that was with us

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that told us where to stand and you know

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what time to work the next day he was

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told instead of driving to work to drive

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to a certain place he was debriefed with

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a gun in his ear and asked why you know

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he told this and told us that and well

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he's worked in what capacity with him up

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there theoretical physicist but I mean

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what did he do around the saucers or

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whatever all I can tell you is that when

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you find out the truth a month from now

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a year from now two years from now

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you'll look back and you'll say my god

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that son of a gun was right

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or maybe thirty years from now he must

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have said yeah it's so great you know

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you know he had never covered a UFO

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story he was covering mob stories

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because he knew some of the mob guys and

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he was you could see in his face I mean

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I love seeing it the first time he

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engages this topic with John Lear you

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know he's skeptical real skeptical yeah

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and he should be if it was wild then

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it's wild now what's what's being

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claimed but but John had credibility

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with the news station John Lear had

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credibility because he brought forward

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it's of area 51 at lake level you will

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never see photos like this again it was

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from 1977 where the security was a chain

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link and I told you that story yesterday

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how he snuck out the roll of film it's

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pretty funny it's a bar story so John

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had credibility because he brought these

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photos forward and they actually

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identified a stealth fighter and a MIG

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fighter Russian MIG that was being I

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guess you'd say back engineered as well

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so he had really brought the news

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station some interesting information and

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John came to George's mentor in

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journalism a man named Ned day and he

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said here's all the UFO stuff there is a

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secret program area 51 and they're

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reverse engineering alien spacecraft in

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Ned days like nope I would have heard

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about it no chance that's true John and

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then and then there's George Knapp kind

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of knew at the station his Hey look at

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those documents boy did he not know that

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would completely alter his public

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identity for the rest of his life you

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know so what I like about this photo

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you got area 51 up there and you had

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that little strip of tan to the right

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and that is Papoose Lake that is not a

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place that was known or is known as

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having anything happen there's no runway

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there really there should be nothing

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happening there especially at that time

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but that's where Bob said he worked he

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did not work at area 51

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he worked at what he claims it was

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called s4 a sub base of area 51 about 15

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is 17 miles south on that little tan

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strip they're called Papoose Lake so

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that's the first thing to know is that

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he's claiming to not have worked at area

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the same complex but I want to still

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focus on John here because I spend a lot

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of time with John I did film about seven

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years of his life I am sure that film

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will come out to date I put out a 20

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minute short film first episode on John

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the whole series would be called

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immaculate deception when it gets made

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it's all filmed when it gets cut and put

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out but I'll just show you a little

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trailer for that because John really is

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what he was my gateway drug to ufology

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yeah you listen to John talk for a

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little while and you start questioning

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everything about the universe so I'll

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show you the little trailer because I

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make films so I figure they speak for me

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oh and welcome to a special edition of

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on the record in the more than five

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years since we've been hosting these

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programs no guest has inspired such a

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widespread and enduring audience

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response as has John Lear son of the

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famed aviation pioneer and a world-class

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pilot in his own right as many of you

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may know though Lear the son is best

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known for his research into UFOs

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a phenomenon described by some as

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worldwide hoax described by others as

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[Applause]

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does it just happen it's written the

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exact I have talked to his people and I

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birth is like Allison wonderful things

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[Applause]

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you certainly couldn't figure in your

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wildest dreams that would be the most

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important thing when you can't see the

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objective right so John Lear is

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intimately connected to the bob lazar

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story and the reason he's intimately

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connected the bob lazar story is because

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I've talked with a lot of people that

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knew Bob Lazar before he became public

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about before he even worked allegedly in

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the program and man he would say things

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like I feel bad for John you know it

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comes from a prominent family the

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learjet family and he believes in UFOs

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he like felt bad for him so that was

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like Bob's standpoint on UFOs way before

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he ever found himself in the situation

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that he says he did so staying back here

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in 1989 Bob comes forward he says I

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worked on reverse engineering a

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propulsion system he they did not

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succeed in reverse engineering it he

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said it was an impossible task it was

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like you know dropping a iphone out into

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the Stone Age and saying make one yeah

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he said it was absolutely impossible and

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there was such control and there was

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such compartmentalization in these

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programs

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he didn't even really know what he was

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supposed to be working on until he went

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a few times and in fact this is what he

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says he says when I when I saw the craft

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for the first time he said I started

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kind of chuckling inside because I

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thought that's what all those UFO nuts

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we're seeing in the skies and thinking

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they were extraterrestrial they were

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ours you know so that was his thought

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when he first saw the craft that's how

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kind of skeptical or analytical bob was

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he wouldn't take anything on face value

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still doesn't you know one of the most

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kind of interesting minds that I that

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I've met so he did a lot to try to prove

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to you his story he did probably more

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than you realize

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to try to prove to you his story he says

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I've tried to prove my story

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I can't under the scientific method I

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can't prove to you beyond a shadow of a

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doubt that what I'm saying is true

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so you're obligated not to believe me

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and nowadays he goes and if you don't

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believe me pass it on because it's

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caused you you only see it from it from

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a personal perspective you can only

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really see it from personal perspective

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how it has negatively influenced his

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life what he's been through because of

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telling this story which supposedly in a

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lot of people's mind isn't real yet

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there have been some real-world

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consequences let me just get an idea

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from everybody's you know I really

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actually like to know how we're divided

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in this group you know who absolutely

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believes Bob Lazar the absolutes who's

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there

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all right all right who maybe maybe not

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50% where's the 50% of undecideds okay

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and then how do people absolute lying

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cockamamie [\h__\h] where are you come

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on it's okay oh come on you're hiding

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don't worry I'll get you after right

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okay so that's that's about average we

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all want to believe Bob Lazar how can

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you not we you know how cool would that

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be so we all want to believe him it

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doesn't mean it's true but it also

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doesn't mean that it's false so we're

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kind of stuck with that a lot of you

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here believe him you raised your hand

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majority of people maybe because you

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want to believe him we don't have all

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the evidence so you're inclined to

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believe him as you could tell from the

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news reports the George did George dug

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deep and that time period was so bizarre

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for the people that lived it they were

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followed by people George had six other

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witnesses that were coming off of the

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base to corroborate bob lazar story or

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parts of bob lazar story all six of them

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declined to ever talk with

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again after they're paid a visit and

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told that they would be harmed and we're

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talking about George Knapp he let's talk

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about people that do talk to them and

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and the stories of these people that

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couldn't tell their story to him

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afterwards it's pretty incredible but

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other people have come forward and

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things have come to light over the last

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thirty years and let's look at those

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things and let's see if they provide

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proof or if they take away from Bob's

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story so Bob Lazar began to talk in 1989

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and just to give you another little clip

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so you can judge for yourself

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if what you think he was saying back

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then could be true or not true here's

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another little clip I had sent resumes

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to several national labs around the

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country I got a response from a couple

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of they said we might have something in

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the near future

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you would be very interested in you know

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you say you work on little project I

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said yeah I have a particle accelerator

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in my master bedroom and and things of

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that sort and some time went by and they

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called me back in they said there was a

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senior staff physicist that was leaving

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this organization and the basically

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interviewed me for that job I don't know

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many people with particle accelerators

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and their master bedrooms and I know a

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lot of nerds I'll tell you that you know

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and I always found that really

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interesting I know for a fact the Bob

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Lazar is highly intelligent so he's got

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that going for him and that's nice I can

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tell for sure that he's smart but I too

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was skeptical I was probably like most

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you that raised your hand I was like yes

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I believe because I want to it makes

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sense but that's about all that we had

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until you really speak with someone you

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can

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easily just dismiss them if you're just

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talking about a name you don't know them

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you don't know their family you don't

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know what they've been through

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you can't even imagine to imagine none

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of us can so we're all stuck with that

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because Bob really doesn't make himself

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available to get to know him so I was

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skeptical and I don't know

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I talked with George and George

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obviously encouraged me to talk with Bob

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like yeah who wouldn't want to talk with

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Bob of course I want to talk to him so

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George made a point you gotta talk with

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Bob and you got to tell this store and

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you got to do it yourself to really get

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to the bottom of it he's like but you

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got to be the luckiest guy on the planet

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for that to happen and he kind of

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explains that to me here you have to

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cover the story of Bob Lazar and the

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only way to do that is to talk to Bob

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I don't know if it'll talk to you or not

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but you need to try well it was it's all

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gonna be circumstance for you is the

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moment that you approach him the mood

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that he's in what else is going on in

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his life at the time you might hit the

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jackpot and get him in exactly the right

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time and the the universe is aligned and

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he's willing to talk about it but you'd

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have to be awfully lucky because in

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general Bob doesn't like to talk about I

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think he's very happy in his life he's

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happy to have left the UFO stuff behind

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he misses his friends he misses John

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Leary mrs. Jean Huff maybe even me some

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extent but he doesn't miss the UFO topic

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and he doesn't miss talking about it

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because ultimately it's disturbing these

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are disturbing issues they go to the

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heart of who we are as people as human

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beings the nature of reality itself is

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this a computer simulation are we all

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the product of an alien video game or

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some multi-dimensional movie drive-in

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movie theater production or something

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big questions disturbing answers and bob

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has never been

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and talking about never so that was

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about as encouraging as he can get

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you're never gonna get him you have to

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be the luckiest guy on the planet he

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doesn't like to talk about it because

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it's disturbing it messed up his life

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it's disturbing to everybody good luck

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right I'm pretty damn lucky and the

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first time that I actually met Bob like

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any of you really interested I was like

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okay I want to ask him these questions

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directly I don't want to look him in the

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eye and I want to see how he responds I

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happen to have a camera you know and he

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happened to let me turn it on

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and it had been a long time since he let

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somebody turn the camera on right so I

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thought oh man this is amazing let me

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see what he has to say

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so I'll show you a little clip of that

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first time I didn't know Bob at that

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time I didn't know him he was not a

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friend of mine he's just I accidentally

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got to be in the same place as him and

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had the camera and got to ask him

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questions and I wanted to give the

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public just a glimpse so I put this out

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it's it's in a free 20 minute

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documentary just a few minutes of Bob so

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you can kind of be updated this was a

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few years ago but he talked about it in

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a different way and that's what I found

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so interesting it wasn't the Bob Lazar

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that I saw in all those videos from 25

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years ago it was five years ago and I

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film this it was a different Bob you

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know it's like something had changed and

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you'll see the way he talks about it so

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I'm gonna show you that little clip just

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so you get a update up until five years

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you know look you can nitpick anything

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you know to the point where you find

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inconsistencies and then you can add

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those inconsistencies up and say you

529
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know what this can't be true but the

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thing is you can do that with factual

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events and this was a factual event

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where I mean where the project is now

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where the parts are now you know this is

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all 20 years ago so I know there are

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alien craft here from another planet I

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know I saw other ones but I was inside

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one I know who was now made on earth I

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know it was may blue the materials that

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we can fabricate we cannot duplicate and

540
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we've never been able to I know it uses

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a power source that's so advanced that

542
00:26:05,540 --> 00:26:03,330
we could only dream of something along

543
00:26:06,620 --> 00:26:05,550
those lines and the energy density on it

544
00:26:09,410 --> 00:26:06,630
is phenomenal

545
00:26:14,510 --> 00:26:09,420
it's nothing that I would ever expect to

546
00:26:17,150 --> 00:26:14,520
see I know that you know this is done in

547
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:17,160
the highest levels of security and you

548
00:26:23,170 --> 00:26:19,440
know that they use all kinds of methods

549
00:26:26,690 --> 00:26:23,180
to keep it quiet from disinformation I

550
00:26:29,390 --> 00:26:26,700
mean some exotic ways of just hiding

551
00:26:31,070 --> 00:26:29,400
things like I said the installation

552
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:31,080
itself was buried in the side of a

553
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:34,650
mountain and you know I also know that

554
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:36,690
there's lots of nonsense information

555
00:26:43,100 --> 00:26:39,210
that has gone around and whether it was

556
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:43,110
started by the Navy or military or

557
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:45,600
whoever's at the absolute bottom you

558
00:26:51,470 --> 00:26:47,490
know of the project

559
00:26:53,870 --> 00:26:51,480
and I truly suspect that be the case

560
00:26:56,450 --> 00:26:53,880
because look disinformation is the most

561
00:26:58,130 --> 00:26:56,460
powerful you know way to distort facts

562
00:27:01,010 --> 00:26:58,140
you just throw a bunch of useless stuff

563
00:27:03,050 --> 00:27:01,020
out there and you know they just take

564
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:03,060
the real facts along with the nonsense

565
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:04,770
and bundle it together and say well this

566
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:07,290
is just impossible and you know there

567
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:10,320
your security is maintained but I also

568
00:27:16,670 --> 00:27:14,010
know that at some point they've examined

569
00:27:18,890 --> 00:27:16,680
or had bodies of alien creatures

570
00:27:24,620 --> 00:27:18,900
somewhere so I know that stuff for a

571
00:27:27,260 --> 00:27:24,630
fact and that's the bottom line pretty

572
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:27,270
cool to hear him talk about it 25 years

573
00:27:32,220 --> 00:27:28,480
after he said

574
00:27:34,739 --> 00:27:32,230
the first time just so I get an idea who

575
00:27:36,029 --> 00:27:34,749
hasn't seen that footage of mine anybody

576
00:27:38,220 --> 00:27:36,039
hasn't seen it okay so you did you're

577
00:27:40,109 --> 00:27:38,230
seeing it for the first time today I'm

578
00:27:42,509 --> 00:27:40,119
glad I mean isn't that cool aren't you

579
00:27:45,330 --> 00:27:42,519
stoked on that it's like man you know

580
00:27:47,159 --> 00:27:45,340
it's like Elvis meets Bigfoot you can

581
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:47,169
never find a Murray's dad you know

582
00:27:50,700 --> 00:27:48,850
there's always a rumor he's dead and all

583
00:27:53,820 --> 00:27:50,710
of a sudden I got him on camera I have

584
00:27:56,609 --> 00:27:53,830
proof positives are exists and not only

585
00:28:00,060 --> 00:27:56,619
that but he's not backing down

586
00:28:03,060 --> 00:28:00,070
he's doubling down he hasn't changed his

587
00:28:05,399 --> 00:28:03,070
story he's telling you now the same

588
00:28:07,470 --> 00:28:05,409
thing he was telling you then I find

589
00:28:09,599 --> 00:28:07,480
that really interesting and it's

590
00:28:11,159 --> 00:28:09,609
different when you can see someone has

591
00:28:13,049 --> 00:28:11,169
aged and they're a little bit more

592
00:28:14,899 --> 00:28:13,059
confident they're not like a geeky 20

593
00:28:18,629 --> 00:28:14,909
year old kid now there's the geeky adult

594
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:18,639
but they've changed and so that little

595
00:28:25,739 --> 00:28:22,480
bit of footage was the first step the

596
00:28:27,389 --> 00:28:25,749
first taste I got of [\h__\h] this I'm gonna

597
00:28:29,999 --> 00:28:27,399
find out the truth I'm gonna do my best

598
00:28:32,099 --> 00:28:30,009
because this story's too big it's too

599
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:32,109
important and look I've already got them

600
00:28:36,479 --> 00:28:34,690
once on camera maybe down the line five

601
00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:36,489
years later I might be able to do some

602
00:28:40,229 --> 00:28:39,039
more filming with them right and really

603
00:28:42,419 --> 00:28:40,239
I'm doing this to bring it to you

604
00:28:44,879 --> 00:28:42,429
because you're seeing it just like I'm

605
00:28:47,989 --> 00:28:44,889
seeing it you now have three more

606
00:28:50,519 --> 00:28:47,999
minutes in which to judge Bob Lazar by

607
00:28:53,820 --> 00:28:50,529
right and that's all I was trying to do

608
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:53,830
was get more data into the streams so we

609
00:28:59,039 --> 00:28:56,080
can make a more educated opinion on if

610
00:29:03,239 --> 00:28:59,049
his story is true or not the crux of his

611
00:29:07,049 --> 00:29:03,249
story is about a place called s4 site

612
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:07,059
for this is a place that nobody had ever

613
00:29:13,229 --> 00:29:10,690
heard of there is not one mention in the

614
00:29:15,749 --> 00:29:13,239
public realm not even private circles I

615
00:29:19,529 --> 00:29:15,759
had no one around that time had ever

616
00:29:22,009 --> 00:29:19,539
even heard about it yet things were

617
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:22,019
different back then when George Knapp

618
00:29:28,979 --> 00:29:25,690
called Nellis Air Force Base and they

619
00:29:31,109 --> 00:29:28,989
admitted that they had an s4 if not

620
00:29:33,060 --> 00:29:31,119
multiple task force wouldn't tell him

621
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:33,070
what they did there now they just

622
00:29:39,299 --> 00:29:37,200
completely deny it right we thought but

623
00:29:41,789 --> 00:29:39,309
George got confirmation there was an ask

624
00:29:42,590 --> 00:29:41,799
for so Bob somehow knew things he

625
00:29:45,409 --> 00:29:42,600
somehow

626
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:45,419
that on Wednesdays at 8:00 p.m. over

627
00:29:49,070 --> 00:29:47,039
this tiny little lake bed that's not

628
00:29:50,509 --> 00:29:49,080
even part of area 51 that there would be

629
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:50,519
a test flight of something that looks

630
00:29:54,409 --> 00:29:53,250
identical to a flying saucer and he took

631
00:29:57,499 --> 00:29:54,419
people out there on a variety of

632
00:29:59,210 --> 00:29:57,509
occasions and they filmed it right how

633
00:30:01,820 --> 00:29:59,220
did he know that that's probably a real

634
00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:01,830
guarded secret wouldn't you think you

635
00:30:05,659 --> 00:30:03,809
know the existence of a secret little

636
00:30:08,210 --> 00:30:05,669
sub base of area 51 you figured out

637
00:30:09,889 --> 00:30:08,220
everybody would know that so I'm already

638
00:30:11,690 --> 00:30:09,899
kind of intrigued that he knew things

639
00:30:12,909 --> 00:30:11,700
that really he shouldn't know if he

640
00:30:15,289 --> 00:30:12,919
didn't work out there

641
00:30:17,509 --> 00:30:15,299
s4 is kind of the key and I'll show you

642
00:30:20,210 --> 00:30:17,519
little clips about that you've brought

643
00:30:22,909 --> 00:30:20,220
s4 into the forefront it's been

644
00:30:25,789 --> 00:30:22,919
confirmed to you directly from the base

645
00:30:29,049 --> 00:30:25,799
maybe 25 or 5 years ago yeah

646
00:30:33,369 --> 00:30:29,059
s4 has been confirmed to me directly

647
00:30:37,129 --> 00:30:33,379
twice one from an employee of EG&G

648
00:30:39,169 --> 00:30:37,139
security was daunting and then somebody

649
00:30:41,659 --> 00:30:39,179
else who's confirmed to me s4 that

650
00:30:43,789 --> 00:30:41,669
that's exactly how it looks the story

651
00:30:46,789 --> 00:30:43,799
though is that there was a facility like

652
00:30:50,539 --> 00:30:46,799
that at Papoose there is a facility like

653
00:30:52,899 --> 00:30:50,549
that a Papoose flying disks not this UFO

654
00:30:57,860 --> 00:30:52,909
term that's created to make it ambiguous

655
00:31:00,980 --> 00:30:57,870
flying disks saucers that were piloted

656
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:00,990
by nonhumans they were not ours and this

657
00:31:06,619 --> 00:31:03,600
was confirmed by both of my sources that

658
00:31:10,249 --> 00:31:06,629
this technology is not ours Bob Lazar

659
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:10,259
story was confirmed to me by those two

660
00:31:16,519 --> 00:31:14,490
same sources one saying that when he was

661
00:31:20,509 --> 00:31:16,529
working in secret capacity at White

662
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:20,519
Sands in 1989 that it was common

663
00:31:25,070 --> 00:31:23,730
knowledge at the base about Bob's story

664
00:31:27,619 --> 00:31:25,080
and I said well what was the

665
00:31:31,100 --> 00:31:27,629
believability with the general

666
00:31:33,289 --> 00:31:31,110
believability and he said everybody knew

667
00:31:35,149 --> 00:31:33,299
that what was going on out there

668
00:31:37,460 --> 00:31:35,159
were with these types of projects and

669
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:37,470
they all believed Bob sword no were they

670
00:31:42,769 --> 00:31:40,559
following it as its unfolding 1989 that

671
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:42,779
was the impression that I got was that

672
00:31:48,909 --> 00:31:45,690
it was big news if you ever see it if

673
00:31:51,019 --> 00:31:48,919
it's soundless noiseless it's hovering

674
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:51,029
anti-gravity or appearing to be the way

675
00:31:55,710 --> 00:31:53,850
it is not ours as I said not ours like

676
00:32:00,960 --> 00:31:55,720
America

677
00:32:03,180 --> 00:32:00,970
says not ours like humans so 28 it's

678
00:32:04,620 --> 00:32:03,190
about 25 years after Bob's story and I

679
00:32:06,539 --> 00:32:04,630
started digging into it and started

680
00:32:08,399 --> 00:32:06,549
pulling up and calling up a bunch of the

681
00:32:10,169 --> 00:32:08,409
people who have advised my work in

682
00:32:13,710 --> 00:32:10,179
nanotechnology and an aerospace stuff

683
00:32:15,090 --> 00:32:13,720
and in investigations in general the

684
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:15,100
highest-ranking military individual I've

685
00:32:18,510 --> 00:32:16,690
ever met has been someone that has

686
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:18,520
advised my work for a while was in

687
00:32:23,730 --> 00:32:20,320
position to know and I've had multiple

688
00:32:25,950 --> 00:32:23,740
confirmations that Bob Lazar is telling

689
00:32:28,649 --> 00:32:25,960
the truth and that asks for as he

690
00:32:30,299 --> 00:32:28,659
described it existed exactly like he

691
00:32:31,890 --> 00:32:30,309
described it and for the purpose that he

692
00:32:35,130 --> 00:32:31,900
described it so I've got all these

693
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:35,140
independent personal confirmations that

694
00:32:41,279 --> 00:32:38,650
there's a grain of truth to bob lazar

695
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:41,289
story that was driving me crazy so I sat

696
00:32:44,730 --> 00:32:42,490
down with George and went through with

697
00:32:46,020 --> 00:32:44,740
him showed him he knows who some of you

698
00:32:48,060 --> 00:32:46,030
know the people that advised my work are

699
00:32:50,159 --> 00:32:48,070
he's satisfied with it I'm satisfied

700
00:32:52,110 --> 00:32:50,169
with it so we're getting you know direct

701
00:32:53,730 --> 00:32:52,120
testimony from people not for public

702
00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:53,740
consumption not for me to go on radio

703
00:32:58,590 --> 00:32:55,600
doesn't talk about it not to put him in

704
00:33:01,470 --> 00:32:58,600
movies but just to inform my work people

705
00:33:04,470 --> 00:33:01,480
that care about me and my work too so it

706
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:04,480
really started to intrigue me because

707
00:33:08,549 --> 00:33:05,890
now all of a sudden it's not just one

708
00:33:11,250 --> 00:33:08,559
person saying this thing but 25 years

709
00:33:13,620 --> 00:33:11,260
later I'm getting independent personal

710
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:13,630
confirmation of the facilities Bob said

711
00:33:19,549 --> 00:33:16,480
he worked on that wasn't happening 25

712
00:33:22,169 --> 00:33:19,559
years ago so that was pretty cool

713
00:33:23,940 --> 00:33:22,179
everybody's focused on area 51 we know

714
00:33:27,390 --> 00:33:23,950
the great things that were achieved at

715
00:33:30,149 --> 00:33:27,400
area 51 it's a shell game

716
00:33:32,159 --> 00:33:30,159
it's a sleight of hand we're talking

717
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:32,169
about s4 right and we're talking about

718
00:33:36,899 --> 00:33:34,000
the acknowledgement of a secret base

719
00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:36,909
called s4 that has special projects

720
00:33:42,779 --> 00:33:40,240
there extra-terrestrial projects well I

721
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:42,789
got confirmation from Nellis Air Force

722
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:44,770
Base I called their public information

723
00:33:49,860 --> 00:33:47,200
offices back in 1989 we're working on

724
00:33:52,770 --> 00:33:49,870
this do you have a place called s4 on

725
00:33:53,730 --> 00:33:52,780
the Nellis range and they said yes can

726
00:33:58,289 --> 00:33:53,740
you tell me where it is

727
00:34:00,510 --> 00:33:58,299
no do you have more than one yes can you

728
00:34:03,690 --> 00:34:00,520
tell me what goes on there no it's

729
00:34:05,820 --> 00:34:03,700
classified so we know and s4 exists we

730
00:34:06,990 --> 00:34:05,830
know classified work goes on there we

731
00:34:08,490 --> 00:34:07,000
know that they're not going to tell us

732
00:34:09,659 --> 00:34:08,500
any more about it

733
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:09,669
no one had

734
00:34:12,690 --> 00:34:11,679
at about a place called s4 and public

735
00:34:14,549 --> 00:34:12,700
before Bob Lazar

736
00:34:16,049 --> 00:34:14,559
there's no printed records of it it

737
00:34:18,030 --> 00:34:16,059
didn't appear in the newspaper story

738
00:34:20,190 --> 00:34:18,040
he's the one that told it how did he

739
00:34:21,720 --> 00:34:20,200
know how did he know that those test

740
00:34:23,460 --> 00:34:21,730
flights were gonna take place three

741
00:34:26,819 --> 00:34:23,470
weeks in a row there'd been no news

742
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:26,829
stories not in in UFO circles about test

743
00:34:30,809 --> 00:34:28,210
flights of something that looks like a

744
00:34:32,490 --> 00:34:30,819
flying saucer over Papoose Lake that

745
00:34:33,930 --> 00:34:32,500
happened three weeks in a row they took

746
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:33,940
people out there I've interviewed all

747
00:34:38,970 --> 00:34:36,159
the witnesses who were there and they've

748
00:34:41,819 --> 00:34:38,980
got it on videotape how did he know well

749
00:34:44,369 --> 00:34:41,829
maybe somebody told him the you how

750
00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:44,379
ridiculous that is maybe somebody told

751
00:34:49,379 --> 00:34:46,480
him but it's important that Bob didn't

752
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:49,389
go to MIT how ridiculous is that

753
00:34:54,329 --> 00:34:51,760
here's videotape of a flying saucer

754
00:34:56,369 --> 00:34:54,339
flying over a secret base the government

755
00:34:59,069 --> 00:34:56,379
has never acknowledged and the important

756
00:35:01,799 --> 00:34:59,079
point of this is Bob did go to MIT it's

757
00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:01,809
ridiculous how about the Maine you're

758
00:35:07,170 --> 00:35:04,480
sort of losing burying the headline the

759
00:35:10,799 --> 00:35:07,180
headline is flying saucers at a secret

760
00:35:12,569 --> 00:35:10,809
base there they are on video and we're

761
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:12,579
quibbling about whether he has a degree

762
00:35:19,380 --> 00:35:17,170
or not George Knapp calls up Nellis Air

763
00:35:22,650 --> 00:35:19,390
Force Base do you have an s4 and they

764
00:35:24,599 --> 00:35:22,660
say yes yeah we hadn't gone with our UFO

765
00:35:26,609 --> 00:35:24,609
stories they weren't on the only thing

766
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:26,619
that had been on the air was John Lear

767
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:29,200
on on the record and then this dentist

768
00:35:34,319 --> 00:35:31,450
interview the interview with Dennis so I

769
00:35:38,309 --> 00:35:34,329
wasn't quite the UFO guy than I am now

770
00:35:40,109 --> 00:35:38,319
and and actually the guy I talked to the

771
00:35:42,450 --> 00:35:40,119
public information officer at Nellis is

772
00:35:44,730 --> 00:35:42,460
somebody that I knew we called and he

773
00:35:46,770 --> 00:35:44,740
said does s4 exist

774
00:35:48,299 --> 00:35:46,780
I could try I mean I could certainly ask

775
00:35:49,109 --> 00:35:48,309
them whether they'd still answer or not

776
00:35:51,630 --> 00:35:49,119
I don't know

777
00:35:53,549 --> 00:35:51,640
you'll recall twenty-five years ago they

778
00:35:55,230 --> 00:35:53,559
would answer questions about UFOs

779
00:35:56,700 --> 00:35:55,240
you know they they might keep you on the

780
00:35:58,079 --> 00:35:56,710
phone long enough to figure out if

781
00:35:59,370 --> 00:35:58,089
you're crazy or not but at least they

782
00:36:00,960 --> 00:35:59,380
talk to you about it they don't talk to

783
00:36:02,460 --> 00:36:00,970
you at all they don't have that

784
00:36:04,140 --> 00:36:02,470
conversation with you whether they'd

785
00:36:07,890 --> 00:36:04,150
answer that s4 question around I don't

786
00:36:10,049 --> 00:36:07,900
know we could try we're calling Nellis

787
00:36:13,130 --> 00:36:10,059
Air Force Base of Public Affairs Office

788
00:36:15,390 --> 00:36:13,140
and that's who I called 25 years ago

789
00:36:19,230 --> 00:36:15,400
we'll see if they will confirm for us

790
00:36:21,630 --> 00:36:19,240
that they have an s4 out there or where

791
00:36:28,300 --> 00:36:21,640
I suspect we're gonna have trouble but

792
00:36:33,590 --> 00:36:31,160
hi my name is George Knapp I work with

793
00:36:35,870 --> 00:36:33,600
Channel 8 News and I had a question I'm

794
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:35,880
not sure if you can answer it or who

795
00:36:40,340 --> 00:36:37,890
might be able to answer it I'm trying to

796
00:36:42,290 --> 00:36:40,350
try to figure out if there is if you can

797
00:36:45,490 --> 00:36:42,300
confirm that there is somewhere on the

798
00:37:13,400 --> 00:36:45,500
Nellis range a place called s4 and

799
00:37:18,290 --> 00:37:13,410
designated s4 facility yes great thanks

800
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:18,300
thank you hi Airmen my name is George

801
00:37:23,330 --> 00:37:21,570
Knapp with channel 8 I was calling to

802
00:37:24,770 --> 00:37:23,340
see if and I don't know if you can tell

803
00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:24,780
me this or not but whether you have

804
00:37:29,470 --> 00:37:26,730
something on the Nellis range called s4

805
00:38:02,660 --> 00:37:29,480
a site or a facility or a location

806
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:02,670
designate an s4 this number here yeah

807
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:04,530
I'll just let you know that I've been

808
00:38:09,410 --> 00:38:07,290
told some years ago that there was there

809
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:09,420
is a place called s4 they wouldn't tell

810
00:38:13,580 --> 00:38:11,280
me where it was but in fact you might

811
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:13,590
have more than one like Eskimo meaning

812
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:22,890
site for right I'd want to know what if

813
00:38:27,860 --> 00:38:25,530
it exists we had been told that there

814
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:27,870
had been classified work going on out

815
00:38:32,930 --> 00:38:30,450
there one one version of the story is

816
00:38:35,090 --> 00:38:32,940
that there was a facility near Pappu's

817
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:35,100
dry lake that was called s4 there's

818
00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:35,410
another

819
00:38:40,319 --> 00:38:36,880
version the story that you've got a

820
00:38:41,970 --> 00:38:40,329
place at Tonopah test range and I just

821
00:38:54,830 --> 00:38:41,980
didn't know if you can confirm one way

822
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:59,750
[Applause]

823
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:06,079
I appreciated airman thank you very much

824
00:39:11,789 --> 00:39:08,670
yes so um you know it's just kind of

825
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:11,799
interesting he already confirmed it

826
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:13,690
decades ago we're just wondering what

827
00:39:17,370 --> 00:39:16,000
the climate of the situation was now and

828
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:17,380
I could like tell you this story but

829
00:39:21,539 --> 00:39:18,880
it's much more fun to show it to you I

830
00:39:23,069 --> 00:39:21,549
make films anyway right so I can talk

831
00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:23,079
about it by showing you how these things

832
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:24,609
go there's a little bit of humor in it

833
00:39:29,460 --> 00:39:27,760
so we waited for a callback and we

834
00:39:31,170 --> 00:39:29,470
weren't very hopeful we didn't think

835
00:39:32,309 --> 00:39:31,180
they were gonna call us back back in the

836
00:39:34,500 --> 00:39:32,319
day

837
00:39:35,609 --> 00:39:34,510
George knew the the public affairs guy

838
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:35,619
this time we don't know who we're

839
00:39:39,089 --> 00:39:37,359
talking with the kid didn't even sound

840
00:39:40,349 --> 00:39:39,099
like he knew much of the base you know

841
00:39:42,779 --> 00:39:40,359
so we don't know what kind of

842
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:42,789
information we're gonna get they called

843
00:39:49,049 --> 00:39:45,520
right back and left a message that's

844
00:39:50,700 --> 00:39:49,059
this is the next morning yesterday you

845
00:39:54,269 --> 00:39:50,710
called to get Nellis Air Force Base to

846
00:39:56,130 --> 00:39:54,279
confirm s4 as a physical location the

847
00:39:59,490 --> 00:39:56,140
one by the post Lake that is one we're

848
00:40:01,620 --> 00:39:59,500
interested in and they and you've called

849
00:40:03,140 --> 00:40:01,630
before back before a lot of this was

850
00:40:05,700 --> 00:40:03,150
secret and you got direct confirmation

851
00:40:07,529 --> 00:40:05,710
yes that facility exists we can't tell

852
00:40:10,049 --> 00:40:07,539
you anything more about it so we get a

853
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:10,059
guy on there yesterday and he's like I

854
00:40:14,819 --> 00:40:12,400
have to go ask people that would know

855
00:40:17,549 --> 00:40:14,829
and you get a voicemail back the same

856
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:17,559
day right this yesterday and let's hear

857
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:22,720
what the voicemail is from Nellis Air

858
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:25,119
Force Base I'm calling to get you this

859
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:26,770
formation you requested earlier today I

860
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:30,490
spoke with the range headquarters and

861
00:40:37,049 --> 00:40:34,450
they let me know that none of their maps

862
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:37,059
and possession have a location that

863
00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:42,000
depicts s4 or sites or as a designation

864
00:40:47,700 --> 00:40:45,760
so that's what I can tell you right now

865
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:47,710
so if you have any further questions be

866
00:40:52,580 --> 00:40:48,850
sure to let me know when you get a

867
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:52,590
chance have a good day

868
00:40:58,680 --> 00:40:57,130
so a couple things one is that 25 years

869
00:41:01,260 --> 00:40:58,690
ago they did confirm not only they have

870
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:01,270
won and and more than one s4 they

871
00:41:04,830 --> 00:41:03,520
wouldn't tell me where it was they

872
00:41:06,420 --> 00:41:04,840
wouldn't tell me what goes on there but

873
00:41:07,770 --> 00:41:06,430
they said it is a real place and I've

874
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:07,780
got that from other people who worked

875
00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:10,690
out there not just Lazar secondly it was

876
00:41:14,970 --> 00:41:12,730
the parsing of languages what I thought

877
00:41:16,770 --> 00:41:14,980
was interesting we talked to the people

878
00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:16,780
at the range and they don't find it on

879
00:41:20,910 --> 00:41:18,730
any map well it's not gonna be on any

880
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:20,920
map it wouldn't be on any map even if it

881
00:41:26,490 --> 00:41:24,250
was even if existed and so just saying

882
00:41:29,490 --> 00:41:26,500
that it it's not on any map is not the

883
00:41:32,910 --> 00:41:29,500
same as saying it doesn't exist it's a

884
00:41:34,350 --> 00:41:32,920
very specific kind of truth it's a new

885
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:34,360
day and age dealing with public

886
00:41:38,580 --> 00:41:36,640
information officers and not only for

887
00:41:40,290 --> 00:41:38,590
the airforce but every federal agency is

888
00:41:41,970 --> 00:41:40,300
that they are where you go for

889
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:41,980
information and you never get to speak

890
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:44,410
unless you get their permission you

891
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:46,960
never get to speak beyond that it's like

892
00:41:51,450 --> 00:41:49,330
fishing as a journalist you want to see

893
00:41:53,550 --> 00:41:51,460
where the level of secrecy is and ys4 is

894
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:53,560
important is because s4 is linked to all

895
00:41:57,060 --> 00:41:55,450
of these special projects that we've

896
00:41:59,610 --> 00:41:57,070
been looking into dealing with the

897
00:42:01,800 --> 00:41:59,620
extra-terrestrial presence yeah being

898
00:42:03,780 --> 00:42:01,810
able to confirm that there really was an

899
00:42:05,130 --> 00:42:03,790
s4 which is where Bob Lazar said he

900
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:05,140
worked goes a long way toward

901
00:42:08,460 --> 00:42:06,730
establishing that his story was true

902
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:08,470
because it had never appeared in any

903
00:42:12,900 --> 00:42:10,810
newspaper it wasn't at any map that's

904
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:12,910
what he claims so when nihlus told me

905
00:42:16,530 --> 00:42:14,890
yeah we've got an s4 but we're not gonna

906
00:42:18,690 --> 00:42:16,540
tell you where it is that was a really

907
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:18,700
big deal I you know I don't necessarily

908
00:42:22,470 --> 00:42:20,770
think they're lying to me maybe they

909
00:42:24,330 --> 00:42:22,480
this guy doesn't know maybe they don't

910
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:24,340
call it us for anymore maybe after all

911
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:25,810
that stuff with Lazar came out they

912
00:42:30,510 --> 00:42:29,410
changed the name who knows but I just

913
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:30,520
thought it was really interesting that

914
00:42:37,420 --> 00:42:33,610
the parsing of the language to say we

915
00:42:42,100 --> 00:42:40,420
yes that's just a fun little look into

916
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:42,110
one of the ways that we can go about

917
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:44,210
getting nothing from our government of

918
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:46,730
how these facilities but you know it's

919
00:42:50,860 --> 00:42:48,800
kind of fun and you do learn a lot along

920
00:42:53,650 --> 00:42:50,870
the way it it is interesting the way

921
00:42:55,180 --> 00:42:53,660
questions are answered or sometimes very

922
00:42:57,820 --> 00:42:55,190
telling and the guy was kind of

923
00:42:59,860 --> 00:42:57,830
chuckling actually when he had you know

924
00:43:01,720 --> 00:42:59,870
said we don't have any you know maps

925
00:43:04,030 --> 00:43:01,730
with that designation on it he knew it

926
00:43:08,140 --> 00:43:04,040
was a BS answer to get around having to

927
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:08,150
answer so basically there's a lot of

928
00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:10,370
controversy but what is the proof when

929
00:43:15,700 --> 00:43:13,250
it comes to lazarre's claims after all

930
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:15,710
this time you know what stands the test

931
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:18,170
of time I'm not going to go over every

932
00:43:24,070 --> 00:43:20,720
finite detail on what people think is or

933
00:43:26,070 --> 00:43:24,080
is not true about the Lazar story there

934
00:43:29,110 --> 00:43:26,080
are you know a few interesting things

935
00:43:32,050 --> 00:43:29,120
this was just a copy of it but one of

936
00:43:34,420 --> 00:43:32,060
the things I went through is this box of

937
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:34,430
archives and photographs and you know

938
00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:36,410
Bob would just I could pull any box out

939
00:43:40,990 --> 00:43:38,960
of just garage and he did not you know

940
00:43:42,850 --> 00:43:41,000
have anything to hide he's just like go

941
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:42,860
for it look through it all you know but

942
00:43:46,420 --> 00:43:44,690
this was like a pay stub he got people

943
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:46,430
say well why is it for so little and

944
00:43:49,810 --> 00:43:47,570
it's because he's just getting started

945
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:49,820
with a job and they pay so little at the

946
00:43:54,700 --> 00:43:52,160
beginning it's not that much money even

947
00:43:56,590 --> 00:43:54,710
this has been hyper analyzed and people

948
00:43:58,750 --> 00:43:56,600
trying to see is it real because the

949
00:44:00,040 --> 00:43:58,760
name of the department is different than

950
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:00,050
what's they know that's an older

951
00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:02,450
department so there's all these tiny

952
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:04,250
little things that people like to go

953
00:44:11,230 --> 00:44:07,010
through and try to see does it add up

954
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:11,240
but none of it adds up to is Bob telling

955
00:44:16,510 --> 00:44:14,480
the truth or not like his schooling Bob

956
00:44:19,630 --> 00:44:16,520
is always claimed that he went to MIT

957
00:44:22,090 --> 00:44:19,640
and that he went to you know he got a

958
00:44:24,070 --> 00:44:22,100
you know degree from MIT and there's no

959
00:44:26,890 --> 00:44:24,080
way to prove that the Bob's not offer

960
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:26,900
him proof we can't find proof okay so

961
00:44:30,850 --> 00:44:29,210
let's let's just say he lied let's just

962
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:30,860
pretend he lie i don't by the way that's

963
00:44:35,020 --> 00:44:33,170
not my position i'm just saying let's

964
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:35,030
just say he lied let's say he was

965
00:44:42,730 --> 00:44:39,610
home-schooled and just had no education

966
00:44:45,490 --> 00:44:42,740
okay well does that change the fact that

967
00:44:49,340 --> 00:44:45,500
he worked in scientific capacity at Los

968
00:44:50,660 --> 00:44:49,350
Alamos no that's established fact

969
00:44:52,370 --> 00:44:50,670
and I'll tell you why it's established

970
00:44:56,300 --> 00:44:52,380
back now I actually made sure it was

971
00:44:59,420 --> 00:44:56,310
established back but the point is we can

972
00:45:03,350 --> 00:44:59,430
go back to when he was a baby it's like

973
00:45:06,350 --> 00:45:03,360
is that gonna change is this true about

974
00:45:08,420 --> 00:45:06,360
this story about what he's telling us

975
00:45:10,580 --> 00:45:08,430
now and so that that's kind of what I'm

976
00:45:12,410 --> 00:45:10,590
interested in I really don't care if he

977
00:45:15,770 --> 00:45:12,420
was homeschooled by gnomes

978
00:45:18,110 --> 00:45:15,780
I like care if he worked at los alamos

979
00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:18,120
how did Bob walk George Knapp through

980
00:45:22,190 --> 00:45:19,440
one of the most secret and lockdown

981
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:22,200
facilities in America at los alamos

982
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:24,810
going into the maze on facility with

983
00:45:30,110 --> 00:45:27,930
cameras how did that happen it's it's

984
00:45:31,340 --> 00:45:30,120
like people try to belittle the story

985
00:45:33,050 --> 00:45:31,350
because they're afraid of the

986
00:45:37,310 --> 00:45:33,060
implications maybe let's stick to what

987
00:45:40,610 --> 00:45:37,320
we know Bob tried creating recreating

988
00:45:42,980 --> 00:45:40,620
what the badge looked like so that other

989
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:42,990
people could recognize it maybe and then

990
00:45:47,660 --> 00:45:44,810
people say oh you've made a fake badge

991
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:47,670
yeah I made a replica so you would

992
00:45:50,420 --> 00:45:48,570
you're welcome

993
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:50,430
so you would know what it looked like I

994
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:52,800
mean just all these crazy stories I see

995
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:54,480
tape up there on the right by his neck

996
00:45:58,850 --> 00:45:56,970
yeah he made a badge replica so you

997
00:46:02,450 --> 00:45:58,860
could see what it looks like

998
00:46:04,010 --> 00:46:02,460
he also did diagrams and drawings of you

999
00:46:05,870 --> 00:46:04,020
know these are like on napkins he's like

1000
00:46:08,350 --> 00:46:05,880
famous for napkins I have like a stack

1001
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:08,360
of napkins from Bob okay so this is like

1002
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:11,130
one of the first drawings he did back in

1003
00:46:17,180 --> 00:46:14,370
the day of where the the saucer out of

1004
00:46:19,490 --> 00:46:17,190
the nine that he claimed he saw the one

1005
00:46:21,530 --> 00:46:19,500
that he dubbed the sports model that's

1006
00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:21,540
where it was and he you know he kind of

1007
00:46:26,450 --> 00:46:24,000
drew it out so people could see what it

1008
00:46:28,190 --> 00:46:26,460
looked like from what he's telling these

1009
00:46:31,580 --> 00:46:28,200
are drawings I don't know if people have

1010
00:46:33,830 --> 00:46:31,590
really seen some of these but he saw a

1011
00:46:35,870 --> 00:46:33,840
bunch of different shaped UFOs but from

1012
00:46:36,890 --> 00:46:35,880
a distance so he saw there were nine but

1013
00:46:38,780 --> 00:46:36,900
some of them like held that one the

1014
00:46:40,850 --> 00:46:38,790
jello mold the one below that the top

1015
00:46:42,260 --> 00:46:40,860
hat he called that one the light bulb he

1016
00:46:44,270 --> 00:46:42,270
doesn't even remember it now he's like

1017
00:46:46,070 --> 00:46:44,280
oh yeah that was weird that one was

1018
00:46:47,780 --> 00:46:46,080
weird shaped but they were all kind of

1019
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:47,790
like down this corridor you know he only

1020
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:50,880
got to see the one little known parts of

1021
00:46:55,610 --> 00:46:53,370
his story very elaborate one time you

1022
00:46:58,010 --> 00:46:55,620
know in that section where he goes I was

1023
00:47:01,400 --> 00:46:58,020
inside one he's talking about a UFO

1024
00:47:02,750 --> 00:47:01,410
because I was inside of one and I said

1025
00:47:05,900 --> 00:47:02,760
well Bob

1026
00:47:07,490 --> 00:47:05,910
did that was that cool you know that's

1027
00:47:12,380 --> 00:47:07,500
gonna be really cool right and he goes

1028
00:47:14,990 --> 00:47:12,390
now it felt all - he goes it was so

1029
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:15,000
weird first of all everything is

1030
00:47:20,690 --> 00:47:17,850
gunmetal gray there's not any other

1031
00:47:22,790 --> 00:47:20,700
color everything is rounded there's no

1032
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:22,800
corner or edge it was like an injection

1033
00:47:29,230 --> 00:47:24,720
mold because what it felt hominis

1034
00:47:32,180 --> 00:47:29,240
because I stepped in and the seats

1035
00:47:35,810 --> 00:47:32,190
weren't for grown men they weren't for

1036
00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:35,820
normal grown men human size right they

1037
00:47:41,570 --> 00:47:38,730
were small and he says that was the

1038
00:47:43,609 --> 00:47:41,580
moment when I realized this is weird we

1039
00:47:45,859 --> 00:47:43,619
ain't in Kansas no more toto you know

1040
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:45,869
something's weird here it's kind of

1041
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:47,760
dawned on him and I think kind of the

1042
00:47:51,500 --> 00:47:49,530
light display that came up with the

1043
00:47:54,620 --> 00:47:51,510
alien writing probably sunk that right

1044
00:47:57,230 --> 00:47:54,630
in at one point they were operating on a

1045
00:47:59,180 --> 00:47:57,240
little piece on the ground and this

1046
00:48:01,460 --> 00:47:59,190
display came up where side of the craft

1047
00:48:02,900 --> 00:48:01,470
that he was inside to look at a very

1048
00:48:04,670 --> 00:48:02,910
specific part of the propulsion system

1049
00:48:07,099 --> 00:48:04,680
there was this rounded window partner I

1050
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:07,109
just went transparent but not like even

1051
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:09,359
glass you know it's just clear she

1052
00:48:13,609 --> 00:48:10,290
doesn't know if it was there or not

1053
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:13,619
there but on that was very strange

1054
00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:16,530
writing you know to us we don't know

1055
00:48:21,620 --> 00:48:18,240
what kind of writing it was but he tried

1056
00:48:23,180 --> 00:48:21,630
to kind of show what it looked like it

1057
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:23,190
kind of looked like amoebas you know he

1058
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:24,930
didn't know in like eyes but it was like

1059
00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:27,290
that's kind of a replica of what he saw

1060
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:31,040
have you guys seen that before so

1061
00:48:35,540 --> 00:48:33,450
there's all these details to a story

1062
00:48:37,730 --> 00:48:35,550
that are just not well known because we

1063
00:48:41,390 --> 00:48:37,740
get the bullet points okay another thing

1064
00:48:44,270 --> 00:48:41,400
that he avoids talking about cuz it's so

1065
00:48:46,070 --> 00:48:44,280
bizarre but he read all of these

1066
00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:46,080
briefing documents that was one of the

1067
00:48:49,220 --> 00:48:47,520
times he went out there was they just

1068
00:48:51,290 --> 00:48:49,230
had him read through all these documents

1069
00:48:53,150 --> 00:48:51,300
and he wasn't sure if it was like a test

1070
00:48:55,070 --> 00:48:53,160
or a joke he doesn't really know what's

1071
00:48:57,140 --> 00:48:55,080
going on but he flipped through pages

1072
00:49:00,620 --> 00:48:57,150
and saw photographs and he tried to draw

1073
00:49:04,250 --> 00:49:00,630
one thing that he saw on the left which

1074
00:49:06,380 --> 00:49:04,260
was an autopsy page of a being and he

1075
00:49:07,730 --> 00:49:06,390
doesn't like to talk about it he

1076
00:49:09,650 --> 00:49:07,740
actually drew this though from memory

1077
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:09,660
and I loved it because that's all I know

1078
00:49:13,970 --> 00:49:12,240
you'll have to make up the rest because

1079
00:49:15,730 --> 00:49:13,980
he said that's what everybody does they

1080
00:49:17,530 --> 00:49:15,740
just insert [\h__\h] you know you

1081
00:49:19,330 --> 00:49:17,540
like that's what I know that's what it

1082
00:49:22,359 --> 00:49:19,340
looked like that you know to the best of

1083
00:49:23,859 --> 00:49:22,369
my ability so he read all these

1084
00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:23,869
documents he goes I don't know if they

1085
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:25,520
were true it's like you reading a piece

1086
00:49:29,980 --> 00:49:28,160
of paper do you know that's true he goes

1087
00:49:31,780 --> 00:49:29,990
I didn't have my hands on that so I

1088
00:49:33,609 --> 00:49:31,790
don't know that's true but there were

1089
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:33,619
tons of things that he read in these

1090
00:49:41,859 --> 00:49:38,210
documents bizarre things back - how the

1091
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:41,869
hell did Bob know okay this drawing on

1092
00:49:48,460 --> 00:49:45,410
the right that was done by Bob right

1093
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:48,470
after one of his visits to the base when

1094
00:49:52,750 --> 00:49:50,810
he happened to see on the bus a strange

1095
00:49:54,850 --> 00:49:52,760
airplane they said worked on like a

1096
00:49:58,900 --> 00:49:54,860
methane fuel and he said it sounded like

1097
00:50:01,300 --> 00:49:58,910
it was tearing open the sky turns out we

1098
00:50:03,340 --> 00:50:01,310
now know he drew the back of the Aurora

1099
00:50:05,590 --> 00:50:03,350
which is still a very secret plane that

1100
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:05,600
was being tested out at area 51 at the

1101
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:08,290
time he was out there how did Bob know

1102
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:10,490
how did he know it worked on methane

1103
00:50:16,359 --> 00:50:12,890
propulsion how did he draw the back of

1104
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:16,369
it correctly if he was never there again

1105
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:19,850
it's really annoying isn't it because

1106
00:50:24,190 --> 00:50:22,130
all these things are kicking in the ass

1107
00:50:26,020 --> 00:50:24,200
like oh I wanna believe you but I want

1108
00:50:29,170 --> 00:50:26,030
to know the truth I'm starting to

1109
00:50:31,859 --> 00:50:29,180
believe you so then I found someone

1110
00:50:35,020 --> 00:50:31,869
willing to speak with me after 25 years

1111
00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:35,030
from Los Alamos after all these years

1112
00:50:38,770 --> 00:50:37,250
everybody's making jokes that bob was

1113
00:50:40,780 --> 00:50:38,780
the janitor at Los Alamos he never

1114
00:50:42,940 --> 00:50:40,790
worked there okay he's in the phone book

1115
00:50:44,859 --> 00:50:42,950
I've talked to a bunch of individuals

1116
00:50:46,390 --> 00:50:44,869
that were that knew him from working

1117
00:50:48,490 --> 00:50:46,400
with him there but I couldn't go public

1118
00:50:50,530 --> 00:50:48,500
with it finally I found a brave

1119
00:50:53,650 --> 00:50:50,540
individual who was willing to talk to me

1120
00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:53,660
on the record about working with Bob

1121
00:51:00,580 --> 00:50:57,680
Lazar at Los Alamos in scientific

1122
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:00,590
capacity being in briefings classified

1123
00:51:05,980 --> 00:51:03,530
briefings which by the way the janitors

1124
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:05,990
are not invited to the highly technical

1125
00:51:11,980 --> 00:51:09,680
classified briefings with Bob Lazar and

1126
00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:11,990
his name was dr. Robert Crandall I have

1127
00:51:16,180 --> 00:51:14,000
all of his documents all of his

1128
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:16,190
paperwork from all the contracts that he

1129
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:18,890
did during that time period at multitude

1130
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:21,170
of bases including Los Alamos during

1131
00:51:25,180 --> 00:51:22,490
that time dr. Craig was telling the

1132
00:51:26,530 --> 00:51:25,190
truth I can prove it what was your

1133
00:51:29,140 --> 00:51:26,540
impression of what bob was doing at Los

1134
00:51:29,470 --> 00:51:29,150
Alamos in the 80s I didn't know what he

1135
00:51:41,770 --> 00:51:29,480
was

1136
00:51:43,599 --> 00:51:41,780
again like the janitor right so he

1137
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:43,609
worked there and he went on record with

1138
00:51:47,859 --> 00:51:45,890
me and says of course remember bob bob

1139
00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:47,869
was the jet car guy he was a rock star

1140
00:51:52,150 --> 00:51:50,089
he looks like Mick Jagger how can you

1141
00:51:54,310 --> 00:51:52,160
not remember Bob I remember Bob Bob was

1142
00:51:56,349 --> 00:51:54,320
cool as [\h__\h] and yeah yeah he worked at

1143
00:51:58,120 --> 00:51:56,359
Los Alamos big deal and my big deal -

1144
00:51:59,880 --> 00:51:58,130
boo it's a big deal man

1145
00:52:02,170 --> 00:51:59,890
and he goes why and I'm like because

1146
00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:02,180
he's got a bigger story and everybody

1147
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:04,250
says a good link - that is did he work

1148
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:05,570
at los alamos because if he worked at

1149
00:52:10,180 --> 00:52:09,170
los alamos there is a possible reason he

1150
00:52:12,450 --> 00:52:10,190
could have been picked up to work on a

1151
00:52:16,630 --> 00:52:12,460
highly classified project through EG&G

1152
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:16,640
to go to the test site and work on this

1153
00:52:22,030 --> 00:52:19,280
non-terrestrial stuff and dr. Bergen was

1154
00:52:23,500 --> 00:52:22,040
like okay whatever so I got him on

1155
00:52:27,099 --> 00:52:23,510
record the guy's a really funny guy

1156
00:52:29,950 --> 00:52:27,109
really smart and um next thing you know

1157
00:52:32,770 --> 00:52:29,960
I published it next - shoulda warned him

1158
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:32,780
he starts getting inundated by calls by

1159
00:52:38,980 --> 00:52:35,690
Stan Freeman just inundated you know I

1160
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:38,990
mean God you know I love Stan Stan and I

1161
00:52:48,460 --> 00:52:44,210
like him we totally disagree because

1162
00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:48,470
Stan's wrong so yeah so he attacked dr.

1163
00:52:52,390 --> 00:52:50,569
Crangle on the phone trying to belittle

1164
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:52,400
what dr. Crangle said he goes jeremy

1165
00:52:56,140 --> 00:52:54,410
what did you do I this guy keeps calling

1166
00:52:57,490 --> 00:52:56,150
me all I did was tell you a little thing

1167
00:52:59,530 --> 00:52:57,500
and he won't leave me alone I'm like

1168
00:53:01,870 --> 00:52:59,540
yeah he's looking to try to discredit

1169
00:53:04,089 --> 00:53:01,880
you because he's invested in it not

1170
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:04,099
being true about Bob Lazar I said just

1171
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:05,690
tell him what you told me tell him the

1172
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:08,690
truth so anyway you know anyway you get

1173
00:53:12,819 --> 00:53:10,490
around it here's a physicist work to Los

1174
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:12,829
Alamos inside the capacity was in

1175
00:53:17,069 --> 00:53:14,450
security briefings with Bob Lazar make

1176
00:53:19,720 --> 00:53:17,079
of that what you will now for my most

1177
00:53:21,730 --> 00:53:19,730
exciting part of this story this is the

1178
00:53:25,450 --> 00:53:21,740
thing that really gets me has everybody

1179
00:53:27,700 --> 00:53:25,460
heard of element 115 okay

1180
00:53:29,500 --> 00:53:27,710
so you've heard about that because of

1181
00:53:31,500 --> 00:53:29,510
Bob Lazar there's no other reason you

1182
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:31,510
would have heard about that back in 1989

1183
00:53:37,720 --> 00:53:35,690
very obscure an element that we

1184
00:53:41,620 --> 00:53:37,730
theorized you know we might be able to

1185
00:53:44,109 --> 00:53:41,630
you know create a few atoms of one day

1186
00:53:46,420 --> 00:53:44,119
element 115 is a huge part of Bob's

1187
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:46,430
story because it's a very specific part

1188
00:53:54,310 --> 00:53:49,970
he said that we had he was told 500

1189
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:54,320
pounds of element 115 in fact if you

1190
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:57,290
remember his story that was the fuel

1191
00:54:03,280 --> 00:53:59,599
source for the gravity wave amplifier

1192
00:54:06,970 --> 00:54:03,290
and this sounded like total science

1193
00:54:09,730 --> 00:54:06,980
fiction and everybody said oh it's very

1194
00:54:11,380 --> 00:54:09,740
unscientific what Bob saying all he said

1195
00:54:13,990 --> 00:54:11,390
was that there was an element that was

1196
00:54:16,570 --> 00:54:14,000
yet to be fabricated by humans that is

1197
00:54:18,070 --> 00:54:16,580
super heavy and has this potentiality to

1198
00:54:20,530 --> 00:54:18,080
create as a fuel source for these

1199
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:20,540
saucers and it runs off of that well

1200
00:54:26,740 --> 00:54:23,690
it's a minoes

1201
00:54:29,260 --> 00:54:26,750
we can't fabricate at that time we

1202
00:54:30,700 --> 00:54:29,270
couldn't for at all but to this day and

1203
00:54:33,150 --> 00:54:30,710
actually we will never be able to and

1204
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:33,160
there's reasons why we cannot fabricate

1205
00:54:38,380 --> 00:54:35,690
stabilized element 115 in any

1206
00:54:40,330 --> 00:54:38,390
significant quantity now the argument

1207
00:54:42,190 --> 00:54:40,340
that people make about element 115 is

1208
00:54:44,230 --> 00:54:42,200
that okay you're right okay

1209
00:54:47,290 --> 00:54:44,240
we fabricated some we have a few atoms

1210
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:47,300
of it sure but it's completely unstable

1211
00:54:52,359 --> 00:54:50,089
just milliseconds and it's gone well Bob

1212
00:54:55,030 --> 00:54:52,369
always said well he recently said he

1213
00:54:57,550 --> 00:54:55,040
goes yeah that's true he goes but there

1214
00:55:00,310 --> 00:54:57,560
is an isotope or I stopped a combination

1215
00:55:02,710 --> 00:55:00,320
that will stabilize it just because we

1216
00:55:05,260 --> 00:55:02,720
haven't found it it doesn't mean it

1217
00:55:08,140 --> 00:55:05,270
doesn't exist so I called up some

1218
00:55:10,329 --> 00:55:08,150
physicists at UCLA at Berkeley a couple

1219
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:10,339
in Russia and I started asking him there

1220
00:55:14,260 --> 00:55:11,810
they're specialists and isotopes and

1221
00:55:16,570 --> 00:55:14,270
they're specialists and elements one of

1222
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:16,580
them was very familiar with 115 across

1223
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:18,890
the board none of them wanted to talk

1224
00:55:24,310 --> 00:55:22,160
about UFOs that was made very clear to

1225
00:55:27,839 --> 00:55:24,320
me this is not about UFOs is it couple

1226
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:27,849
notes about element 115 okay cool

1227
00:55:35,650 --> 00:55:31,130
totally unwilling to talk about this on

1228
00:55:37,780 --> 00:55:35,660
the record but consensus they all said

1229
00:55:40,870 --> 00:55:37,790
yeah we absolutely cannot rule out a

1230
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:40,880
stabilized form of element 115 there's

1231
00:55:45,579 --> 00:55:43,130
probably an isotopic combination because

1232
00:55:47,740 --> 00:55:45,589
it is theorized that as you move into

1233
00:55:50,829 --> 00:55:47,750
that realm it becomes stabilized for a

1234
00:55:53,980 --> 00:55:50,839
long duration of period we can't rule

1235
00:55:54,910 --> 00:55:53,990
that out so it is not pseudoscience to

1236
00:55:56,500 --> 00:55:54,920
say that's a pasta

1237
00:55:57,690 --> 00:55:56,510
ability and I'm like oh that's

1238
00:55:59,140 --> 00:55:57,700
interesting cuz I know some like

1239
00:56:01,240 --> 00:55:59,150
physicists who are like that's

1240
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:01,250
pseudoscience you know what Lazar is

1241
00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:04,130
saying well apparently that's not the

1242
00:56:07,690 --> 00:56:06,319
common thought it's not so I don't know

1243
00:56:10,539 --> 00:56:07,700
why people like scream that all the time

1244
00:56:15,720 --> 00:56:10,549
so it is within possibility that that is

1245
00:56:21,010 --> 00:56:15,730
true now a sensitive part of the story

1246
00:56:24,370 --> 00:56:21,020
is that a Lazar described this very

1247
00:56:28,359 --> 00:56:24,380
specific way in which this element 115

1248
00:56:34,270 --> 00:56:28,369
was machined at Los Alamos freeze in the

1249
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:34,280
saucers the guys machining the 115 at

1250
00:56:39,069 --> 00:56:36,319
Los Alamos didn't know what it was it

1251
00:56:41,770 --> 00:56:39,079
would be shipped to them something

1252
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:41,780
called la 1000 that's what they would

1253
00:56:48,940 --> 00:56:45,010
ship back and forth and that was the 115

1254
00:56:52,839 --> 00:56:48,950
Bob alleged that at one point he got

1255
00:56:55,870 --> 00:56:52,849
some element 115 out of the lab out of

1256
00:56:57,039 --> 00:56:55,880
Los Alamos yeah can you imagine now

1257
00:57:00,280 --> 00:56:57,049
that's problematic

1258
00:57:03,250 --> 00:57:00,290
why did Bob claim that whether it's true

1259
00:57:09,430 --> 00:57:03,260
or not we'll get to that why did he

1260
00:57:14,079 --> 00:57:09,440
claim that well if his story is true he

1261
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:14,089
was in serious danger that is precisely

1262
00:57:19,420 --> 00:57:16,730
why he went on the news with George

1263
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:19,430
Knapp in fact I wish I could have seen

1264
00:57:24,099 --> 00:57:22,130
this I wish I could have filmed this the

1265
00:57:27,039 --> 00:57:24,109
last second when George is about to

1266
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:27,049
reveal Bob's identity to the public on

1267
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:30,650
the news Bob and George start wrestling

1268
00:57:34,539 --> 00:57:32,450
over the tape they're in the news

1269
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:34,549
station about to go live to air and he's

1270
00:57:38,589 --> 00:57:36,290
like doesn't want George to air this

1271
00:57:40,329 --> 00:57:38,599
tape he is scared shitless what's gonna

1272
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:40,339
happen when people recognize his face

1273
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:41,450
and George is like dude you're already

1274
00:57:46,089 --> 00:57:43,970
out we tried to protect you by putting

1275
00:57:49,630 --> 00:57:46,099
you kind of out there under your boss's

1276
00:57:52,059 --> 00:57:49,640
name not a smart choice Bob Dennis that

1277
00:57:54,730 --> 00:57:52,069
caused some problems but so if his

1278
00:57:58,180 --> 00:57:54,740
story's true he's being threatened what

1279
00:57:59,500 --> 00:57:58,190
is the one thing that could prove his

1280
00:58:01,150 --> 00:57:59,510
weather a few things could prove his

1281
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:01,160
story I actually believe Bob could prove

1282
00:58:05,470 --> 00:58:03,170
his story I don't think he wants to I

1283
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:05,480
think he wants you to know the story but

1284
00:58:08,260 --> 00:58:06,650
he doesn't want you to know for sure

1285
00:58:10,930 --> 00:58:08,270
he's telling the truth that might

1286
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:10,940
problems for him but let's just say it's

1287
00:58:14,170 --> 00:58:13,610
true the one thing that would save his

1288
00:58:17,830 --> 00:58:14,180
ass

1289
00:58:20,340 --> 00:58:17,840
his trump card would be having element

1290
00:58:22,420 --> 00:58:20,350
115 stashed somewhere right

1291
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:22,430
making sure somebody knows where it is

1292
00:58:28,150 --> 00:58:26,240
dude that's proof positive so if we're

1293
00:58:31,270 --> 00:58:28,160
deciding to believe his story right now

1294
00:58:32,830 --> 00:58:31,280
wow that that's a twist right there and

1295
00:58:35,650 --> 00:58:32,840
he and he did claim it not saying

1296
00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:35,660
anything out of line but you notice he

1297
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:38,240
hasn't talked about it twenty something

1298
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:39,290
year probably twenty five years hasn't

1299
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:41,930
even mentioned it cuz it was a sensitive

1300
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:46,250
topic you might have heard that he was

1301
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:49,010
once raided in New Mexico by a

1302
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:51,410
multi-agency raid they were looking for

1303
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:55,010
something and that is a story he doesn't

1304
00:58:58,090 --> 00:58:56,450
like to bring up because it traumatized

1305
00:59:00,070 --> 00:58:58,100
his life can you imagine so you're at

1306
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:00,080
home right you have your wife and your

1307
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:02,090
animals all this stuff and your house is

1308
00:59:07,470 --> 00:59:05,210
just [\h__\h] raided and they're looking

1309
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:07,480
for something which you don't have okay

1310
00:59:14,650 --> 00:59:11,450
okay so I'm gonna show you this this is

1311
00:59:18,190 --> 00:59:14,660
not element 115 okay this is just

1312
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:18,200
aerogel just say that first okay but

1313
00:59:23,650 --> 00:59:21,170
this is a piece of aerogel before

1314
00:59:26,650 --> 00:59:23,660
anybody knew what aerogel was that they

1315
00:59:28,690 --> 00:59:26,660
used to package around the LA 1000 which

1316
00:59:31,180 --> 00:59:28,700
is element 115 this is actually a piece

1317
00:59:33,820 --> 00:59:31,190
from the 115 which may or may not have

1318
00:59:37,090 --> 00:59:33,830
come out of the lab it's turned yellow

1319
00:59:38,830 --> 00:59:37,100
over time right but this is a piece from

1320
00:59:41,770 --> 00:59:38,840
that packaging material which is so

1321
00:59:45,730 --> 00:59:41,780
funny because nobody knew what aerogel

1322
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:45,740
was back then in 1989 so they thought it

1323
00:59:49,750 --> 00:59:47,570
was extraterrestrial they're like oh man

1324
00:59:51,250 --> 00:59:49,760
it comes with a 115 it must be alien you

1325
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:51,260
know they had no idea

1326
00:59:55,210 --> 00:59:52,850
turns out you guys ever seen that

1327
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:55,220
aerogel it's like lightest smoke it's

1328
00:59:58,990 --> 00:59:56,810
amazing it's like insulation or

1329
01:00:00,790 --> 00:59:59,000
something it's light as smoke and it's

1330
01:00:02,020 --> 01:00:00,800
just this little clear it doesn't even

1331
01:00:04,870 --> 01:00:02,030
feel like you're holding it it's really

1332
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:04,880
strange anyway so this was part of the

1333
01:00:11,050 --> 01:00:08,050
actual packaging from the LA 1000 and

1334
01:00:13,660 --> 01:00:11,060
you know look this is Bob story in a

1335
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:13,670
nutshell he's the element 115 the flying

1336
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:16,130
saucers the government secrecy coming

1337
01:00:21,090 --> 01:00:17,810
forward because he was scared for his

1338
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:21,100
life and annoyed at all of the

1339
01:00:24,870 --> 01:00:22,810
secrecy and it's really kind of sad

1340
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:24,880
actually what what happened like how he

1341
01:00:29,850 --> 01:00:28,450
kind of why he decided to do it I don't

1342
01:00:32,370 --> 01:00:29,860
know he would do it again

1343
01:00:33,780 --> 01:00:32,380
I don't know he'd come out again you

1344
01:00:36,090 --> 01:00:33,790
know I think he would have loved to

1345
01:00:37,860 --> 01:00:36,100
continue working on this projects if he

1346
01:00:40,020 --> 01:00:37,870
worked on him right I think he would

1347
01:00:42,450 --> 01:00:40,030
have loved to continue it I got to bring

1348
01:00:44,460 --> 01:00:42,460
back to one thing that that George has

1349
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:44,470
said to me and I showed you the other

1350
01:00:48,330 --> 01:00:46,650
day which is it's the duty of

1351
01:00:49,650 --> 01:00:48,340
journalists and scientists to

1352
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:49,660
investigate the unexplained did not

1353
01:00:55,230 --> 01:00:51,490
explain the uninvestigated what does

1354
01:00:57,270 --> 01:00:55,240
that simply mean it's just we need to

1355
01:00:59,310 --> 01:00:57,280
look at the things we don't know not try

1356
01:01:01,290 --> 01:00:59,320
to explain them as if we know them and

1357
01:01:05,250 --> 01:01:01,300
so I've got a couple more clips for you

1358
01:01:07,890 --> 01:01:05,260
that I think you'll find interesting the

1359
01:01:11,070 --> 01:01:07,900
idea that bob was a disinformation agent

1360
01:01:14,850 --> 01:01:11,080
or part of a program to mislead the

1361
01:01:16,350 --> 01:01:14,860
public is wrong he's not and I can say

1362
01:01:18,510 --> 01:01:16,360
that or knowing the guy for a quarter of

1363
01:01:20,700 --> 01:01:18,520
a century the story he told then is the

1364
01:01:23,370 --> 01:01:20,710
story he tells now he didn't add to it

1365
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:23,380
he's not making it more elaborate he's

1366
01:01:27,330 --> 01:01:25,450
not remembering new parts of it it's the

1367
01:01:33,450 --> 01:01:27,340
same story it's consistent all the way

1368
01:01:37,390 --> 01:01:35,830
so that's you know impactful when

1369
01:01:39,940 --> 01:01:37,400
somebody kind of tells the same story

1370
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:39,950
over 30 years there's some merit to that

1371
01:01:45,130 --> 01:01:42,170
you know it's not changing one thing we

1372
01:01:47,620 --> 01:01:45,140
know for sure is real is the impact that

1373
01:01:49,420 --> 01:01:47,630
Lazar has had on ufology and the world

1374
01:01:51,700 --> 01:01:49,430
and I love the way George says it and

1375
01:01:53,380 --> 01:01:51,710
just think of the things that in the 25

1376
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:53,390
years since Bob came forward with the

1377
01:01:56,859 --> 01:01:54,490
story

1378
01:01:58,930 --> 01:01:56,869
there are those who it drives them crazy

1379
01:02:00,970 --> 01:01:58,940
that he gets attention that he is

1380
01:02:05,620 --> 01:02:00,980
obviously is he a phony he didn't go to

1381
01:02:09,849 --> 01:02:05,630
MIT he made this stuff up I'm sorry but

1382
01:02:12,339 --> 01:02:09,859
they lost Bob one you look at how far

1383
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:12,349
that story has traveled when you've got

1384
01:02:16,540 --> 01:02:14,330
President Clinton on on Jimmy Kimmel

1385
01:02:18,730 --> 01:02:16,550
talking about area 51 that aliens and

1386
01:02:20,740 --> 01:02:18,740
then a week or so later President Obama

1387
01:02:23,290 --> 01:02:20,750
says hey by the way at an event for

1388
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:23,300
Shirley MacLaine he mentions area 51 and

1389
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:25,250
I'm the first president to say it in

1390
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:27,170
public you know look at what has

1391
01:02:30,580 --> 01:02:29,090
happened since Bob came forward the

1392
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:30,590
government has acknowledged there is a

1393
01:02:35,290 --> 01:02:32,570
place called area 51 for a long time

1394
01:02:37,060 --> 01:02:35,300
they they denied it they pretended that

1395
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:37,070
it would that the base that everyone

1396
01:02:41,290 --> 01:02:39,650
could see didn't exist we know that

1397
01:02:42,970 --> 01:02:41,300
there is a place called s4 they

1398
01:02:45,490 --> 01:02:42,980
confirmed it to me Nellis Air Force Base

1399
01:02:49,050 --> 01:02:45,500
told me that there was one we know that

1400
01:02:51,190 --> 01:02:49,060
there is something called element 115

1401
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:51,200
they've synthesized that it's not

1402
01:02:55,750 --> 01:02:53,810
exactly as Bob described it but as he

1403
01:02:58,420 --> 01:02:55,760
says there are different isotopes you

1404
01:03:00,700 --> 01:02:58,430
can make different kinds of different

1405
01:03:02,670 --> 01:03:00,710
versions of it and eventually we might

1406
01:03:05,290 --> 01:03:02,680
be able to make one that's more stable

1407
01:03:08,349 --> 01:03:05,300
scientists who the scientists who made

1408
01:03:10,390 --> 01:03:08,359
it talked to Bob they called him the

1409
01:03:12,550 --> 01:03:10,400
ones that synthesized it the first time

1410
01:03:16,540 --> 01:03:12,560
were in contact with Bob asking him

1411
01:03:19,210 --> 01:03:16,550
questions about 115 the area 51 meme has

1412
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:19,220
gone everywhere it's in the da vinci

1413
01:03:23,950 --> 01:03:21,490
code it's in national treasure it's an

1414
01:03:26,980 --> 01:03:23,960
independence day it's in the x-files

1415
01:03:30,339 --> 01:03:26,990
the books the TV shows it is part of our

1416
01:03:32,500 --> 01:03:30,349
culture all over the world our baseball

1417
01:03:35,109 --> 01:03:32,510
team is named the 51s and we've got the

1418
01:03:37,630 --> 01:03:35,119
extra-terrestrial highway on a table on

1419
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:37,640
the other side of this room is 50 or 60

1420
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:40,970
products that are being sold product

1421
01:03:45,270 --> 01:03:42,650
lines different kinds of trinkets and

1422
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:45,280
and collectibles from area 51

1423
01:03:50,100 --> 01:03:47,650
did that that's from Bob that's from bob

1424
01:03:53,850 --> 01:03:50,110
lazar that's why this story caught on

1425
01:03:56,970 --> 01:03:53,860
that's why it went worldwide it is now

1426
01:03:59,070 --> 01:03:56,980
part of our shared collective experience

1427
01:04:02,850 --> 01:03:59,080
and knowledge and it's not going away so

1428
01:04:04,530 --> 01:04:02,860
it must drive his detractors crazy who

1429
01:04:09,330 --> 01:04:04,540
those people who think he's phony

1430
01:04:12,030 --> 01:04:09,340
because they lost and Bob one Aldous

1431
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:12,040
Huxley said facts do not cease to exist

1432
01:04:21,090 --> 01:04:18,850
merely because they're ignored okay so

1433
01:04:22,830 --> 01:04:21,100
you're pretty thoroughly up-to-date now

1434
01:04:25,770 --> 01:04:22,840
and the bob was our story you know we

1435
01:04:27,630 --> 01:04:25,780
could go into finite detail about any of

1436
01:04:29,370 --> 01:04:27,640
the specific claims or what arguments

1437
01:04:32,130 --> 01:04:29,380
people have for or against I'm pretty

1438
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:32,140
well versed in it at this point I pretty

1439
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:33,490
much know and have interviewed and

1440
01:04:38,580 --> 01:04:35,530
talked with everybody involved from the

1441
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:38,590
beginning but also having covered new

1442
01:04:42,900 --> 01:04:41,530
stuff and so that's what my film will be

1443
01:04:45,180 --> 01:04:42,910
showing you it's coming out December

1444
01:04:47,940 --> 01:04:45,190
hell or high water like that's my

1445
01:04:51,150 --> 01:04:47,950
deadline so it's kind it's coming out

1446
01:04:54,630 --> 01:04:51,160
December so this story has really just

1447
01:04:56,790 --> 01:04:54,640
begun and I'm gonna take you in the

1448
01:04:58,530 --> 01:04:56,800
movie through some areas of Bob's life

1449
01:05:00,930 --> 01:04:58,540
which nobody has ever really been able

1450
01:05:03,090 --> 01:05:00,940
to see I've been able to verify some

1451
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:03,100
things that have been big question marks

1452
01:05:08,370 --> 01:05:06,250
for 30 years Bob's life was not

1453
01:05:09,090 --> 01:05:08,380
traditional I mean he was kind of an

1454
01:05:11,850 --> 01:05:09,100
outlaw

1455
01:05:15,090 --> 01:05:11,860
he was he's a weirdo man and then he had

1456
01:05:17,340 --> 01:05:15,100
this like jet car right just blowing

1457
01:05:20,130 --> 01:05:17,350
fire he still builds jet bikes by the

1458
01:05:21,780 --> 01:05:20,140
way he built me a flamethrower so

1459
01:05:24,030 --> 01:05:21,790
they've really remotely in the desert so

1460
01:05:26,010 --> 01:05:24,040
it's totally safe try like that besides

1461
01:05:28,350 --> 01:05:26,020
maybe blowing myself up but he still

1462
01:05:30,090 --> 01:05:28,360
likes to to do and make these incredible

1463
01:05:32,450 --> 01:05:30,100
things so he had a multitude of jet cars

1464
01:05:39,290 --> 01:05:32,460
still has this jet bike he takes around

1465
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:39,300
still draws on napkins and you know

1466
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:42,130
still looks like the same guy it's kind

1467
01:05:45,780 --> 01:05:44,410
of an interesting photo right that's

1468
01:05:51,150 --> 01:05:45,790
from one of our filming's

1469
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:51,160
different glasses same dude I have yeah

1470
01:05:55,530 --> 01:05:53,770
okay I'll play it I have just like one

1471
01:05:58,500 --> 01:05:55,540
minute clip and one minute clip of just

1472
01:05:59,069 --> 01:05:58,510
audio so you can hear maybe why Bob is

1473
01:06:01,319 --> 01:05:59,079
deciding

1474
01:06:03,150 --> 01:06:01,329
to allow me to bring his story forward

1475
01:06:05,339 --> 01:06:03,160
again I think it's important because you

1476
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:05,349
understand why it's happening so you can

1477
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:07,650
just listen to this one the biggest

1478
01:06:13,049 --> 01:06:10,690
roadblock to understanding is the

1479
01:06:15,829 --> 01:06:13,059
ability to dismiss someone because you

1480
01:06:17,849 --> 01:06:15,839
don't see them as human as a person so

1481
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:17,859
what pisses you off

1482
01:06:23,789 --> 01:06:20,890
I mean disinformation and lies and

1483
01:06:25,650 --> 01:06:23,799
attacks that have no basis in reality I

1484
01:06:27,660 --> 01:06:25,660
mean you can disagree with me and say

1485
01:06:29,099 --> 01:06:27,670
hey I don't believe that that's fine

1486
01:06:31,199 --> 01:06:29,109
I haven't presented you with enough

1487
01:06:33,959 --> 01:06:31,209
information I I understand that I

1488
01:06:36,599 --> 01:06:33,969
probably be in your position but don't

1489
01:06:38,940 --> 01:06:36,609
fabricate stuff there's some important

1490
01:06:42,599 --> 01:06:38,950
information that needs to be released

1491
01:06:45,390 --> 01:06:42,609
and everybody needs to understand the

1492
01:06:47,339 --> 01:06:45,400
truth to it and not distorted versions

1493
01:06:49,859 --> 01:06:47,349
of it you really need to pay attention

1494
01:06:51,959 --> 01:06:49,869
to what I'm saying because I have better

1495
01:06:54,059 --> 01:06:51,969
things to do than come up with this I'm

1496
01:06:56,009 --> 01:06:54,069
not interested in doing this I don't

1497
01:06:58,170 --> 01:06:56,019
like being in the public eye I don't

1498
01:07:00,420 --> 01:06:58,180
have money for doing this and quite

1499
01:07:04,049 --> 01:07:00,430
frankly I could make up a better lie

1500
01:07:06,469 --> 01:07:04,059
but I have no motivation to lie this

1501
01:07:08,819 --> 01:07:06,479
hasn't this hasn't helped me out it's

1502
01:07:11,609 --> 01:07:08,829
something that it's information that I'm

1503
01:07:13,650 --> 01:07:11,619
releasing and that's it it's not an

1504
01:07:17,849 --> 01:07:13,660
ordinary life that's one thing I would

1505
01:07:18,299 --> 01:07:17,859
like I don't like living in a James Bond

1506
01:07:23,039 --> 01:07:18,309
movie

1507
01:07:27,359 --> 01:07:23,049
mean one of the most striking things

1508
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:27,369
about Bob as a person is he does not

1509
01:07:32,219 --> 01:07:29,890
waste his time on [\h__\h] you know it's

1510
01:07:34,650 --> 01:07:32,229
like he could make up a better lie would

1511
01:07:35,670 --> 01:07:34,660
he know I I asked my wife one time I

1512
01:07:38,069 --> 01:07:35,680
said what do you think of Bob you know

1513
01:07:39,569 --> 01:07:38,079
cuz she thinks I'm crazy you know what

1514
01:07:41,009 --> 01:07:39,579
do you think of all this you know she's

1515
01:07:42,749 --> 01:07:41,019
like yeah he just doesn't seem somebody

1516
01:07:44,339 --> 01:07:42,759
that would like waste his time with

1517
01:07:46,199 --> 01:07:44,349
stuff like that I'm like yeah for 30

1518
01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:46,209
years wouldn't waste his time now when

1519
01:07:50,489 --> 01:07:48,880
was 30 seconds of his life so that was

1520
01:07:52,199 --> 01:07:50,499
you know that's the kind of impression

1521
01:07:54,089 --> 01:07:52,209
you get from him I've one more piece of

1522
01:07:56,339 --> 01:07:54,099
audio and you can kind of see why he's

1523
01:07:58,289 --> 01:07:56,349
probably letting this happened now

1524
01:07:59,699 --> 01:07:58,299
people who try to minimize who you are

1525
01:08:01,589 --> 01:07:59,709
people have been trying to trivialize

1526
01:08:04,769 --> 01:08:01,599
who you are people have been trying to

1527
01:08:06,839 --> 01:08:04,779
twist your story based on absolutely

1528
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:06,849
absurd things that's gotta wear on

1529
01:08:10,950 --> 01:08:08,770
people to a point you gotta set

1530
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:10,960
certain things straight it's time to

1531
01:08:15,390 --> 01:08:13,210
pull things out by the roots just to get

1532
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:15,400
things reset and get people familiar

1533
01:08:20,820 --> 01:08:18,130
with the story and who I am and this is

1534
01:08:24,390 --> 01:08:20,830
what's true the divergence has increased

1535
01:08:27,030 --> 01:08:24,400
just over time I'm trying to tell you

1536
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:27,040
exactly the way things were I mean when

1537
01:08:31,950 --> 01:08:29,890
I was exposed to you think there's

1538
01:08:35,519 --> 01:08:31,960
something more secret than that that the

1539
01:08:37,470 --> 01:08:35,529
flying saucers are a government for some

1540
01:08:40,530 --> 01:08:37,480
of this stuff just sounds crazy to me

1541
01:08:43,140 --> 01:08:40,540
and I understand I'm biased because I'm

1542
01:08:46,559 --> 01:08:43,150
behind my eyes and see everything but

1543
01:08:47,940 --> 01:08:46,569
this is this is crazy [\h__\h] yes I think

1544
01:08:49,890 --> 01:08:47,950
it gets kind of annoying you know

1545
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:49,900
getting trolled and you know by people

1546
01:08:53,250 --> 01:08:51,730
and you know oh you're such a liar why

1547
01:08:55,590 --> 01:08:53,260
are you holding all this information

1548
01:08:57,870 --> 01:08:55,600
because well do what back I've told you

1549
01:08:59,820 --> 01:08:57,880
everything so I think that people

1550
01:09:03,630 --> 01:08:59,830
inserting fantasy and fiction and their

1551
01:09:05,849 --> 01:09:03,640
own opinions altering and distorting his

1552
01:09:06,570 --> 01:09:05,859
story is precisely why he's letting this

1553
01:09:08,940 --> 01:09:06,580
happen now

1554
01:09:11,309 --> 01:09:08,950
you're gonna hear a story again and then

1555
01:09:14,190 --> 01:09:11,319
I'll have some updates as I was able to

1556
01:09:16,890 --> 01:09:14,200
uncover some pretty interesting stuff so

1557
01:09:18,150 --> 01:09:16,900
to kind of conclude this part on Bob

1558
01:09:21,809 --> 01:09:18,160
because you're really going to see it in

1559
01:09:24,150 --> 01:09:21,819
my film I I do have an exciting

1560
01:09:27,780 --> 01:09:24,160
announcement which is nobody has seen

1561
01:09:30,150 --> 01:09:27,790
this yet this is a little maybe two

1562
01:09:32,670 --> 01:09:30,160
minute trailer with some new footage we

1563
01:09:34,769 --> 01:09:32,680
get to hear from Bob very very recently

1564
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:34,779
and of course I've done tons of filming

1565
01:09:37,740 --> 01:09:36,010
but you got to wait for my film but I

1566
01:09:40,500 --> 01:09:37,750
can show you this little piece there

1567
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:40,510
using a can Film Festival to get the

1568
01:09:46,500 --> 01:09:42,970
movie out to market which is pretty neat

1569
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:46,510
so first time ever just a little clip to

1570
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:48,850
again update how much information you

1571
01:10:01,520 --> 01:09:58,580
nothing good comes from europeo forehead

1572
01:10:04,340 --> 01:10:01,530
this is a reluctant UFO Messiah he

1573
01:10:08,090 --> 01:10:06,260
this week we've heard the contention of

1574
01:10:09,950 --> 01:10:08,100
UFO researchers that there is a secret

1575
01:10:14,420 --> 01:10:09,960
government within our government well

1576
01:10:17,180 --> 01:10:14,430
there's several actually nine flying

1577
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:17,190
saucers flying this that are out there

1578
01:10:20,870 --> 01:10:18,930
of extraterrestrial origin

1579
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:20,880
the live interview with the shadowy

1580
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:22,530
dentist drew international attention

1581
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:25,530
portions were broadcast by radio and six

1582
01:10:31,340 --> 01:10:27,810
European countries and in a nationally

1583
01:10:33,740 --> 01:10:31,350
televised TV special in Japan despite

1584
01:10:36,110 --> 01:10:33,750
numerous inquiries and feelers Dennis

1585
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:36,120
has remained anonymous until now his

1586
01:10:41,780 --> 01:10:39,330
real name is Robert Lazar he says he was

1587
01:10:43,790 --> 01:10:41,790
hired to work at an area called s4 which

1588
01:10:46,820 --> 01:10:43,800
is a few miles south of groom Lake and

1589
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:46,830
s4 he says our flying saucers antimatter

1590
01:10:51,110 --> 01:10:49,170
reactors and other working examples of

1591
01:10:53,420 --> 01:10:51,120
technology that is seemingly beyond

1592
01:10:55,490 --> 01:10:53,430
human capabilities I did not believe

1593
01:10:58,910 --> 01:10:55,500
that this should be a security matter

1594
01:11:02,260 --> 01:10:58,920
some of it sure but just the concept

1595
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:02,270
that there's definite group we even have

1596
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:04,650
articles from another world another

1597
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:08,690
system you just can't not tell everyone

1598
01:11:30,590 --> 01:11:27,470
it was like a Twilight Zone episode just

1599
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:30,600
kept getting stranger the fact that that

1600
01:11:33,730 --> 01:11:32,970
was happening at all was the weirdest

1601
01:11:37,340 --> 01:11:33,740
part

1602
01:11:41,270 --> 01:11:37,350
look it's been 30 years and all of a

1603
01:11:43,100 --> 01:11:41,280
sudden you raised it to this level you

1604
01:11:45,500 --> 01:11:43,110
know this is a powerful technology

1605
01:11:49,430 --> 01:11:45,510
fearsome technology and you just don't

1606
01:11:51,860 --> 01:11:49,440
want everyone to have they will become

1607
01:11:54,290 --> 01:11:51,870
obvious how to make constructive as well

1608
01:11:57,410 --> 01:11:54,300
as destructive devices from it it's my

1609
01:12:00,200 --> 01:11:57,420
only guess as to why they have never

1610
01:12:01,550 --> 01:12:00,210
released information it's kind of

1611
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:01,560
difficult once you release the

1612
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:04,410
technology to be analyzed and give it to

1613
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:06,330
everyone they can just run with it you

1614
01:12:12,110 --> 01:12:08,610
really can't keep the weapon potential

1615
01:12:14,570 --> 01:12:12,120
hidden you really can't look with et

1616
01:12:20,690 --> 01:12:14,580
technology you can literally rule the

1617
01:12:24,440 --> 01:12:20,700
world well I am telling the truth

1618
01:12:26,150 --> 01:12:24,450
I've tried to prove that what's going on

1619
01:12:29,350 --> 01:12:26,160
up there could be the most important

1620
01:12:32,870 --> 01:12:29,360
event in history you're talking about

1621
01:12:35,180 --> 01:12:32,880
contact physical physical contact and

1622
01:12:36,790 --> 01:12:35,190
proof from another another system

1623
01:12:39,620 --> 01:12:36,800
another planet and other intelligence

1624
01:12:42,380 --> 01:12:39,630
that's got to be the biggest event in

1625
01:12:44,110 --> 01:12:42,390
history period and it's real and it's

1626
01:12:53,830 --> 01:12:44,120
real and it's there

1627
01:12:59,890 --> 01:12:57,640
so excited for this film to come out I'm

1628
01:13:01,990 --> 01:12:59,900
so excited to actually make the film I

1629
01:13:04,209 --> 01:13:02,000
still have so much to do you have to

1630
01:13:06,399 --> 01:13:04,219
edit the whole thing but this is the

1631
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:06,409
story that I've always wanted to tell

1632
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:08,449
you know since I first started looking

1633
01:13:13,779 --> 01:13:11,210
into the idea of UFOs I want to know

1634
01:13:16,209 --> 01:13:13,789
like you is Bob telling the truth

1635
01:13:19,899 --> 01:13:16,219
because if he is if any of that is true

1636
01:13:22,810 --> 01:13:19,909
it is game-changing and I got to tell

1637
01:13:24,819 --> 01:13:22,820
you through my movie process we're

1638
01:13:26,709 --> 01:13:24,829
closer to the truth than ever before but

1639
01:13:28,450 --> 01:13:26,719
you're gonna have to decide for yourself

1640
01:13:31,180 --> 01:13:28,460
because somebody telling you something

1641
01:13:33,279 --> 01:13:31,190
it's not as good but there'll be a lot

1642
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:33,289
coming out and I'm so excited to be able

1643
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:34,610
to bring that to you because like just

1644
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:37,010
as a fan of this I would love to see the

1645
01:13:41,470 --> 01:13:39,650
movie myself so all of my work for those

1646
01:13:44,140 --> 01:13:41,480
of you that haven't met never seen my

1647
01:13:46,899 --> 01:13:44,150
work before you can spend weeks at

1648
01:13:50,169 --> 01:13:46,909
extraordinary beliefs calm but there are

1649
01:13:52,029 --> 01:13:50,179
tons of videos and clips and everything

1650
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:52,039
from my films investigations and reports

1651
01:13:56,740 --> 01:13:54,770
I hope you enjoy it you know I make it

1652
01:13:58,569 --> 01:13:56,750
so that everybody can just watch it for

1653
01:14:00,370 --> 01:13:58,579
free that's the point you know the films

1654
01:14:03,250 --> 01:14:00,380
are what I do now for a living which is

1655
01:14:05,290 --> 01:14:03,260
great hopefully that works out but

1656
01:14:08,529 --> 01:14:05,300
everything is on that website for you to

1657
01:14:11,770 --> 01:14:08,539
just go to enjoy and experience again

1658
01:14:13,450 --> 01:14:11,780
I'm not trying to tell you to believe or

1659
01:14:14,649 --> 01:14:13,460
not believe or I'm just trying to

1660
01:14:17,529 --> 01:14:14,659
provide you a little bit more

1661
01:14:19,450 --> 01:14:17,539
information hopefully those two clips of

1662
01:14:21,700 --> 01:14:19,460
footage one I know nobody's seen before

1663
01:14:23,589 --> 01:14:21,710
give you a little bit more insight and

1664
01:14:26,109 --> 01:14:23,599
the movie will provide even more than

1665
01:14:26,630 --> 01:14:26,119
that because it is a very important

1666
01:14:27,110 --> 01:14:26,640
story